I personally like victoria stilwells training techniques better but i want to know what everyone else likes.
I wasnt asking as which to use for training i just wanted to know what other people liked better……i did not ask to get yelled at.
Victoria by a mile.
She shows owners techniques they can try at home without any danger.
She understands that not one solution works with every dog.
She always drives home what a massive responsibility a dog is.
She doesn’t use outdated dominance theories.
She communicates very well with owners, which is more than half the battle with training.
Cesar has good and bad points.
Good: Reinforces that exercise is very important.
Has very good movement and timing.
Bad: Totally misunderstands dominance and promotes his misunderstanding far and wide.
Has only one tool, which is physical dominance. When all you have is a hammer, all the world’s a nail. Even when there is not a nail in sight for miles and miles.
Chloe says:
I like VS, but I don’t get the channel that CM is on, so idk about him…
February 23, 2010, 8:44 pmReferences :
Kaylee H says:
CM! CM! He rocks! I don’t know who the heck VS is so I liek CM better!
February 23, 2010, 9:19 pmUm, yeah, you can rent his episodes at the library.
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bells3011 says:
Have not watched either. Every dog is different and so is every owner…what works for one, is not necessarily going to work for the other one.
February 23, 2010, 9:48 pmReferences :
My neighbor swears by Ceaser, but her dogs are the least behaved ones that I’ve ever ever seen.
Alicia says:
i like them both, but i prefer ceaser milan
February 23, 2010, 10:01 pmReferences :
Wicked Wanda says:
Both.
I enjoy watching both of them. All dogs are different and all dogs respond differently to different forms of training. You can’t use the same training on an easily trained dog as a difficult one and expect the same results so using what fits the dog best is what is best for the dog.
February 23, 2010, 10:47 pmReferences :
Korinne says:
I like Victoria. I’ve only seen Ceaser Milan once and wasn’t impressed.
February 23, 2010, 11:20 pmReferences :
moof says:
Victoria.
February 24, 2010, 12:06 amReferences :
All-About-Natalie says:
VICTORIA STILLWELL!!!!!!! DUH!!!!!! I NEVER EVEN WATCH THE DOG WISPERER!!!!! I WATCH IT’S ME OR THE DOG!!!!!
February 24, 2010, 12:48 amReferences :
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Mutt for the Truth says:
I don’t take anything a television trainer says to heart – i prefer to deal with trainers in person. TV trainers are making big money out of what they do – they also edit things drastically and there is always a feeling of drama.
Both trainers have their merits and downfalls (when watching the clips they show on the television.) Victoria for instance can be too soft and Cesar can be too rough – i’ve seen both work with dogs that they couldn’t do a thing for because they stick to ONE method, and one method only.
If you need help training your dog, get up off your butt and find an actual trainer. No video can help you achieve the mind set or skills needed to handle or train a reactive or aggressive dog. PERIOD.
PS – As far as entertainment value goes, i like both. They both outline the what-not-to-do’s with dogs and where owners erred.
February 24, 2010, 1:28 amReferences :
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Erika says:
I like both of them.
February 24, 2010, 2:16 amReferences :
Morgan (snape) says:
i love victoria better. I don’t get Ceasers channel but I have heard way more about victoria than ceaser. Victoria works with both the dog and the owner but ceaser works With the pet only, from what i have seen i mean.
February 24, 2010, 2:31 amReferences :
Agility Man says:
Cesar Millan is incredibly popular among the general public but is detested by knowledgable dog trainers and DVMs.
1. Millan’s approaches are archaic and outdated. According to Dr. Nicholas Dodman – DVM, Director of Animal Behavior Clinic, Tufts University,
“Cesar Millan’s methods are based on flooding and punishment. The results, though immediate, will be only transitory. His methods are misguided, outmoded, in some cases dangerous, and often inhumane. You would not want to be a dog under his sphere of influence. The sad thing is that the public does not recognize the error of his ways. My college thinks it is a travesty. We’ve written to National Geographic Channel and told them they have put dog training back 20 years.”
2. Millan’s focus on dominance and alpha is clueless and wrong. According to Dr. Suzanne Hetts, Certified Applied Animal Behaviorist and Co-owner of Animal Behavior Associates, Inc., Littleton, CO
"A number of qualified professionals have voiced concern for the welfare of pet dogs that experience the strong corrections administered by Mr. Millan. My concerns are based on his inappropriateness, inaccurate statements, and complete fabrications of explanations for dog behavior. His ideas, especially those about “dominance”, are completely disconnected from the sciences of ethology and animal learning, which are our best hope for understanding and training our dogs and meeting their behavioral needs. Many of the techniques he encourages the public to try are dangerous, and not good for dogs or our relationships with them ."
3. Millan’s claims about wolves and pack theory applying to dogs are not true. According to Dr. Ian Dunbar, DVM, founder of the Association of Pet Dog Trainers, expert witness in dog aggression trials, author of numerous dog training books, "Saying ‘I want to interact with my dog better, so I’ll learn from the wolves’ makes about as much sense as saying, ‘I want to improve my parenting — let’s see how the chimps do it.’ "
4. A review of the Dog Whisperer tapes by trained medical professionals show that his work is flawed and wrong. According to Dr. Andrew Luescher, DVM, who was asked by National Geographic to review Dog Whisperer shows, "Most of the theoretical explanations that Millan gives regarding causes of the behavior problems are wrong. Not one of these dogs had any issue with dominance. Not one of these dogs wanted to control their owners…Millan’s techniques are outdated and unacceptable not only to the veterinary community, but also to dog trainers… The show repeatedly cautions the viewers not to attempt these techniques at home. What then is the purpose of this show? I think we have to be realistic: people will try these techniques at home, much to the detriment of their pets."
5. Some of the techniques he uses (like the alpha-roll or belly roll) are wrong and dangerous. This technique was first publicized by the Monks of New Skete (and Millan adopted it from them). Job Michael Evans, who first suggested the Alpha roll in his book for the Monks of New Skete, later apologized for it. Evans has since said publicly that he wished he had never written about the alpha-roll and it has led to widespread abuse. According to Evans, the only dogs that would likely accept an Alpha roll didn’t need it and the ones who do need it would bite your face if you tried it with them.
6. Scientific research that studies groups of dogs has shown that the approaches he advocates actually increase dog violence and aggression. One study found that in 25% of the cases where flooding and physical correction were used (Millan’s approach), the dogs became more aggressive. This does not mean that it worked in 75% of the cases, it just means that in 25% of the cases (or 1 in 4) the dog got more aggressive, became more likely to bit. Compare that to the instance of the 41 dogs confiscated from Michael Vick, all trained to be aggressive dog fighters. One had to be destroyed, 39 have been successfully rehabilitated, some are even now certified therapy dogs. None were trained using flooding and physical correction.
February 24, 2010, 3:17 amReferences :
People can have opinions. But I’ve quoted half a dozen trained DVM’s with expertise and research in dog behavior as well as two classic examples (the Michael Vick dogs–as bad or worse a case than anything MIllan faces and the Penn State study on his techniques). You can agree or disagree with my opinion but it’s pretty hard to ignore both the research against Millan’s results and the stated opinions of people with far more expertise than the Dog Whisperer condemning his approach.
Jessie says:
Victoria by a mile.
She shows owners techniques they can try at home without any danger.
She understands that not one solution works with every dog.
She always drives home what a massive responsibility a dog is.
She doesn’t use outdated dominance theories.
She communicates very well with owners, which is more than half the battle with training.
Cesar has good and bad points.
Good: Reinforces that exercise is very important.
Has very good movement and timing.
Bad: Totally misunderstands dominance and promotes his misunderstanding far and wide.
Has only one tool, which is physical dominance. When all you have is a hammer, all the world’s a nail. Even when there is not a nail in sight for miles and miles.
February 24, 2010, 3:41 amReferences :
smiles says:
VS
February 24, 2010, 3:49 amReferences :